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Title: Closing AD
Post by: MaryLou on October 02, 2018, 10:27:50 am
Is anyone else having a problem closing AD?  I get a message every single time I try to close and there is nothing else open but that program.  The only way I can shut it down is by going to the Task Master.  Here's the message I get:
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: Teejay on October 02, 2018, 10:33:52 am
Yes i had that problem and i had a thread going and affinity solved it

I had to delete some files you had best read this..

https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/50438-how-to-close-designer/
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: Teejay on October 02, 2018, 10:38:22 am
Paul on page 2 of that thread has the answer.
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: MaryLou on October 02, 2018, 11:55:12 am
Wow..that's a long thread!!  I read all of the posts and ended up not doing the process manager.  Went straight to the app folder and there was only one file in the Temp folder.  I deleted that and all worked just fine!!  Apparently, there's a bug that's not clearing out the temp files.  I better go and post on the Affinity forum that the problem has been solved.   

Sure glad it was an easy fix!!   THANKS!!!!!!
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: Teejay on October 02, 2018, 12:30:14 pm
no problem but   sorry i couldnt remember which files to delete so i thought it best you see what they instructed.
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: MaryLou on October 02, 2018, 07:24:57 pm
The ones they mentioned were not in my temp files and since it was a temp folder, I knew it wouldn't hurt to just delete whatever was there.   That's an obvious bug because the program should clear all temp files when you close it.  Anyway, it worked!!  Maybe will be fixed in next version.
 :smiley01:
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: San on October 03, 2018, 01:33:28 pm
This happened to me at one stage as well and Teejay told me what to do.
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: MaryLou on October 03, 2018, 05:40:42 pm
Well, that's 4 that we know of so the obvious conclusion is.... it's a BUG!!!!
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: San on October 04, 2018, 01:53:57 pm
The trouble is you are not sure what makes it do it.
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: MaryLou on October 04, 2018, 04:32:59 pm
True, we don't know so that's something the developers will have to figure out.  Under some conditioins, the temporary files are not all deleted when you exit the program.  I'm sure they'll get it fixed thouth.  :brav01:
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: SherylC on December 20, 2018, 08:36:30 am
I've had a few issues with AD freezing and taking a hell of a long time to load, especially the Layer Palette but no issues at present with closing it.
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: MaryLou on December 20, 2018, 06:15:04 pm
AD has always loaded extremely slow for me, especially compared to my other programs. I've gotten used to is, I guess.
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: Teejay on December 21, 2018, 03:26:44 am
in my case the slow loading (2 minutes 40 seconds )
seems to hang on the loading fonts ...which is strange because i do not install fonts i use a font viewer.
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: MaryLou on December 21, 2018, 07:23:15 pm
Teejay, that font viewer installs the fonts into memory, otherwise you would not see them in AD.  When you open a graphic program, it loads in every font that has been read into memory so even if you're using a font viewer, those fonts are in memory.   The font viewer is not associated with AD or any other program.  It only shows you the fonts and installs those you select.  AD has no association with the font programs but it does load in all the installed fonts from Windows and any other fonts that your font program installs.  Hope that makes sense.  If you stopped using the font thing, the program would load much faster.  Try it :xmas71: :xmas71:
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: Teejay on December 22, 2018, 04:35:49 am

ok i understood that and i have only one question
 i launch AD but i do not have the font viewer launched i only use font viewer when i play with text

so here's the Q
does fontveiwer load the fonts even when you have not launched it
cos its 2 mins 40 secs  from scratch with no fontviewer .

its always been that way for me  and affinity dont seem to want to sort it .

i think it must be my ageing desktop .

Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: Rege on December 22, 2018, 06:01:40 am
At launch, AD lists all fonts in the Windows "Fonts" folder (the fonts installed on the system) in order to use them. At this point, using a fonts manager does not count towards the launch speed.

Fonts managers are very useful for uninstalling rarely used fonts (and reinstalling them if necessary, or even temporarily loading them, for example just for a project) and keeping only the bare minimum and system fonts.

It is advisable not to have more than 400 fonts installed in order not to slow down the operation of the system too much.
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: Linda2 on December 22, 2018, 06:40:16 am
I use a font manager called Font Viewer, I've used this for years.  All my "extra" fonts are stored on externals.  I have 185 fonts installed that AD has to load when called.  I tried it twice this morning and it takes just over 11 sec. to load AD fully.

That said, I have a problem that I sure wish I could find a work around in AD.  For instance, when I am working in PSP and have the font viewer opened and in play, I can change fonts any number of times as I search for "just the right one".  Each time PSP loads it and views no matter where it is stored.  Not so in AD.  I must have the font viewer already opened and set to the particular font I want .then it works just perfect.  However, if I change fonts this way AD does not recognize it until I shut down and re-open.  I have found this to be a bit of an annoyance but so far have not found a work around.  I wonder....is it just my choice of font manager? Or does AD react this way for everyone.  It's a small problem but since we are on the fonts questions just thought I would throw it out for discussion. Thanks for any input.
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: Rege on December 22, 2018, 07:00:45 am
Linda, I use Main Type and if I load or install a font, it is not instantly available in AD, it takes ten or fifteen seconds: AD then freezes for one or two seconds and only then can I select and use the font, without closing and reopening AD. This behaviour may be due to the fact that my machine is really not a race beast.
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: Linda2 on December 22, 2018, 08:26:31 am
Thanks for the info Rege.  I d/led Main Type and gave it a run thru.  Unfortunately it didn't seem to work well for me.  Although I did a restart after installing I couldn't get AD and Main Type to play well together.  I only put a few of my font folders in MT just to see, and even giving AD a few minutes .I couldn't seem to get any of them to view.  Also, it caused AD to open much slower for me....2 min+ as opposed to the original 11+ sec.
So I am back to Font Viewer and will continue to do as before.  Although it is a bother , it is not terrible...

I probably should have left it long enough to see how it fared with PSP, but since that is used so little I didn't even think of it before I un-installed. I do appreciate your feedback though. 
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: Rege on December 22, 2018, 09:41:22 am
I'm sorry it doesn't work for you, Linda. Main Type works perfectly for me, a long time ago (W 95) I used a French software that worked well, but following problems with my computer at the time (changing components), to be able to continue using it, I would have had to buy a license because of the digital signature of the machine that had changed! This digital signature that I only encountered with French software is a real disaster in case of problems, so I have five French software that I can no longer use and therefore now I no longer buy any French software. I passed in 2004 with a German software (Typograph) which, since Windows 8, refuses to browse folders with fonts. I then switched to Main Type and I am really satisfied with it.

With Illustrator, if I selected a font (not installed) in Typograph, I could use it, but of course, once the file was saved and closed, the font in question was replaced at reopening because it had not been installed, just loaded temporarily. I reinstalled Typograph to test it and this manipulation does not work with AD.

On the other hand, the use of an uninstalled font but simply loaded with Main Type is possible with AD.

I really don't see the relationship between AD's opening speed and the use of a font manager, whether it's open or not, the two are independent of each other. For me AD always takes the same time (long) to open, whether Main Type is launched or not.

I hope you won't be too upset with me for all this talk!
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: Linda2 on December 22, 2018, 09:58:34 am
 :lol02: Of course I am not upset with you....it's always nice to get input from others on different issues.  While the font issue  one has been a bit of an irritant  for me since the advent of AD , it is still very workable and not something of which I am too concerned.  Since AD opens so quickly it really is not an issue to close it and deal with the fonts that way.  I probably could be a bit more organized and put my most used into one folder....but sometimes it takes me longer to find just the right font than to create the card, tag, or signature on which I am working.   I really have no idea how many fonts I have collected over the years .and squirreled away on different drives, but I can classify myself as a true fontaholic.   I am definitely not worried about having to do it the way I have been....it's all good.  Now, if I were doing this for a living, well, it might be a whole other story.  Since I am just a hobbyist I have all the time in the world to keep at it. 

Speaking of which, I just got a nice mail from High-Logic with some further info , tips, etc.  so I may have another go at it later.  It certainly seems like a good program with lots of features....even the free version which I was using. Thanks again for your input.
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: Rege on December 22, 2018, 10:14:20 am
You're right, as an amateur, we don't have the same constraints as professionals.

Personally, I don't know if I've entered everything in Main Type but it currently displays 8447 fonts and 900 installed (which is too many!).

The main thing is that you are generally satisfied with the way it works. :xmas70:
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: MaryLou on December 24, 2018, 08:12:06 pm
No, it should not load fonts unless they were loaded when you first installed the program.  There's one of that does that, installs all the fonts so you don't have to wait while anything loads when using the viewer. 

You can check to see what fonts are loaded - everything that is in your Windows Font folder loads.

I just checked and I have 285 installed fonts. Look in your Windows\fonts folder.  Everything there is automatically installed any time you load a program that uses a font.  I'm sure you'll see some of your font viewer fonts there which you can uninstall.  I need to do that - maybe I will when I have nothing better to do.

Bottom line is, if they are in the Windows\Fonts folder, they are all installed.

If you want to eliminate some fonts from your windows folder, copy them to another folder first. Then delete.  If it's a system font, it won't let you delete it.  By  copying the ones you want to delete, you still have it if you need it later on.

With the way Windows has set up their fonts now, you really don't need a font viewer.  You can view them in Windows.  You can also hide some but they will still load.
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: Rege on December 25, 2018, 02:42:26 am
Mary Lou, I don't know to whom your answer is addressed. If it's up to me, I'll try to be clearer: when I talk about loading a font (with Main Type), it's for example in the case where I'm working with Designer and I want to use a font that is not installed on the system (in the C:/Windows/Fonts folder) but stored in another folder. At this moment I can't use this font.
If I want to be able to use it, I have two solutions: either install it or temporarily load it with Main Type. When Main Type is launched, it lists all fonts present in all folders containing them (it is apparently necessary to have indicated the folders in question and new ones can be added at any time).
If I choose the second solution (use the font without installing it on the system), I temporarily load it so that I can use it until I unload it (deactivate it) with Main Type.
If I disable it while I am still working on my document, Designer will no longer find it: the text already typed will keep its appearance but the upcoming text will be replaced by a substitution font and the name of the font will be preceded by a question mark in the context bar. Now, if I save my document and then open it again, Designer will tell me that there is a missing font and all the text typed with this font will be replaced by a substitute font.
In summary, software such as Main Type allows you to temporarily use a font without installing it in the Windows Fonts folder.
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: Teejay on December 25, 2018, 03:20:14 am
hi rege  ML's info was for me
and am now going to see what is in my wondows font file
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: Rege on December 25, 2018, 03:52:18 am
Thank you Teejay for the precision, I had a doubt...
The number of fonts in the Windows Fonts folder is a little misleading because it does not take into account the different weights (normal, bold, italic, etc.) of the fonts. For example, my Fonts folder shows 524 fonts but in reality that makes 952 to load when starting AD.
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: Teejay on December 25, 2018, 07:19:25 am
ohhhh i have over 600
i am now searching to see if i can find a list of windows basic fonts so i can move the extras (if any ) out of the windows folders to store elsewhere
maybe i can cut down the launch time

i have not installed any extra fonts BUT i do have programs that automatically install their fonts to windows without letting you say yes or no to this action 


Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: Rege on December 25, 2018, 08:04:22 am
Teejay, I found this Wikipedia page (you may have seen it before):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_typefaces_included_with_Microsoft_Windows

which lists the fonts installed by different versions of Windows, I don't know if the information is correct.

You can always reset the default fonts on your system, but this will remove those installed by other programs that may not work properly.

You can also install the new fonts by leaving them in other folders (with shortcuts) but be careful not to move or delete these folders otherwise you will no longer be able to use these fonts.

In any case, it is a good idea to keep one or more copies of all fonts so that you can install them again in case of a problem.
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: Teejay on December 25, 2018, 01:14:56 pm
thanks rege i will check that link out
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: MaryLou on December 25, 2018, 04:46:50 pm
Rege, I was replying to Teejay.  Your method of opening a font while using a given program without installing it is a method that has worked for a lot of years but it stopped working in some programs along the way.  I THINK it was DrawPlus when we found that method no longer worked.  I just install them and don't worry about them.   The Windows folder will show you when there are multiple fonts from the same family are in each group.

Affinity Designer is one of those that does NOT list the an opened (but uninstalled) font so you can use it temporarily.  I just tested that to make sure.  I have a folder with my favorite fonts that are not installed. I opened it and double-clicked on a font to open it.  I then opened AD and activated the Artistic Text tool and tried to find that font.  It was not available.  So, I installed it, and sure enough, there it was.

One reason we have so many installed fonts is each program wants to install its own stuff.  I have all of the Serif Classic Fonts, their Hand Written fonts, etc that were automatically installed when I installed DrawPlus.  I might try to eliminate some of my fonts that were installed by other programs to see if I can get AD to load faster.
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: Teejay on December 26, 2018, 01:36:56 am
that is what i am about to do  too ML

i would really love to cut the launch time down ... good luck
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: Rege on December 26, 2018, 07:35:28 am
Mary Lou, I may not understand what you mean, I'm sorry.

AD obviously does not list fonts not installed on the system, but it does allow you to use a temporarily loaded font and the name of this font appears in the drop-down window of the context bar.

I attach a screenshot showing AD in the background and Main Type on the top and right.
The Aardvarf Cafe is not installed but I just loaded it for this screenshot.
In the Main Type fonts list, the color of the circles in front of the fonts indicate their state: not installed, loaded or installed.

White circle: font not installed
Blue circle: loaded font
Green circle: make installed

You can see that the Aardvark Cafe font is simply loaded and is usable in AD and appears in the drop-down list of fonts.

I just tested it with DrawPlus and a loaded font is also available.

It is not AD or DP that do not allow the use of temporarily loaded fonts, but a third party program (a fonts manager) is required to allow them to work in this way.

PS:

Font managers also allow the use of fonts loaded in all software, for example word processing, spreadsheet....
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: MaryLou on December 26, 2018, 06:35:50 pm
Reggie, we are talking about the same thing.  We've done it this way for years with and without a font manager.   I never used a font manager until the last few years.

After experimenting a bit more, you are right, one MUST have a font manager of some kind to do it that way.  We can no longer simply open the font by clicking in it like we used to do.  But... this is aside from Teejay's question.  She has all those fonts installed.

I use a freebie called Font Runner 3.   :xmas45:
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: Rege on December 27, 2018, 07:28:06 am
I wonder if the operating system had something to do with it. I used Illustrator and Typograph until I switched from Windows XP to Windows 8 and I remember that it was enough to select a font in the font manager to be able to use it. After the switch to W 8 this was no longer possible (with the same software version).

For Teejay, regarding fonts installed by software, they can often be found on the installation CD (if there is one) or in the software folder in "programs files".
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: Teejay on December 27, 2018, 08:49:24 am
ohhhhh thanks for that rege
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: MaryLou on December 27, 2018, 03:24:38 pm
Rege is right, a lot of the software that installs fonts put the font folder right there with the rest of their stuff. I grab those font folders and copy them to my own collection area, then when I remove the program, they can't delete the fonts I've saved.   I have tons of fonts that I've gotten that way.  Don't know what I'll ever do with them all because I always seem to go back to my favorites! :xmas70:
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: Teejay on December 27, 2018, 04:10:22 pm
am going to start slow and steady  and save to my oersonal fonts and delete from the windows folder

if I go slow I have less chance if messing up I hope.  :yeah:
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: MaryLou on December 29, 2018, 11:37:54 pm
It's really a difficult job because it may be a font that's used by something that you don't even know about like maybe CCleaner of some obscure program.  You cannot delete a system font though - it won't let you.

One thing you can do is open a window with your own fonts in it and open a second window to see if the font is in Windows. If it's in both places, you can get rid of the one in Windoes.  I've been promising myself to do that for years but here I sit... still not done!!
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: Teejay on December 30, 2018, 01:47:10 am
This sou ds like a good wY to start I have been scared to start for fear of making a hugev blunder
Yes the more I think aboutvit the more I like it
I will look fir duplicates   thanks so much
Title: Re: Closing AD
Post by: MaryLou on December 30, 2018, 08:12:30 pm
Have fun!!!   I really need to do that too but don't have much concentration at the moment.  Good luck!!!